For a odd reason I love making parts considered "weak" or "outdated" seem strong by making awesome combos with them. One of my faves is M145 and Q, I have read some of your comments in the "What Bey do you Use" thread in the forums, you seem to be excellent with combos so I was wondering if you knew a good combo with these? I find that M145 pairs well with low friction tips like MB, and M145Q seems good with Poison and other lighter balance type wheels. But that is all I can figure out. Thanks.
Honestly, those parts are nigh unusable no matter what parts you pair them with, if you're actually trying to win. For funsies though, try using a Sharp-based tip to get a little extra bounce from your M145 track and pair it up with a heavy wheel. Since the contact points will be absolutely everywhere thanks to the constant bouncing, weight is more important. Something like Rock or Twisted might fare well here. Do try to avoid Stamina wheels though, since they're generally too smooth. Flash is fine though, in Attack Mode.
Never use Poison. It's among the bottom-tier of wheels with no Stamina, Defense, or Attack to its name. Use literally anything else.
I see what your saying. I tried Rock Kerbecs M145BS, it was ok but not the best. To test beys I use my partner combo Duo Virgo SA165BS. Virgo didn't loose any balance or spin speed that I noticed, when battling Kerbecs. The only time I've ever been able to use a bey like that and win is Cyber Capricorn M145HF with the M145 in attack mode, and a almost sideways launch and lots of luck. But I see what you mean, they aren't really ever going to be as good as I want them to.
Last night I got bored so I decided to try again, but a little harder, and more defense oriented. I made Metal Face Bsault Capricorn M145SD which seemed to be a ok destabilizer and defense type, far better than the Rock Kerbecs M145BS, but still not very good.
That's because Basalt rocks everyones socks. I've gotten a fair amount of knockouts with it in its stock combination just because it's so heavy and lopsided. Attack types will often run right into it and go flying, even though a wheel that smooth has no real contacts to have that kind of counterattack. The harder you hit it, or the more lopsided you can make it, the stronger its Attack potential gets.
It's not really as much of a destabilizer than a raw Smash Attacker, but I do agree that it's a pretty decent wheel to use for a combo like this that's gonna be lopsided anyways. It can't be any worse being a bit more off-balanced, can it? In this case, definitely not. It's also a pretty good use of SD, since it's more stable than a Sharp tip while still remaining nearly as bouncy with the M145 track. It's honestly one of the best tips to use with M145 for that reason, unless you're aiming for an all-out assault where a Sharp tip would be a lot better. Definitely better here though.
Basalt doesn't normal work well for me in anything but balanced attack combos, but that might be because I use the Zero-G defense type stadium. (I don't own a bb10 attack type stadium, but I plan to get one)
Heh. My stadiums have actually shattered to the point where I do most of my battles in an old sled. Whatever works, right?
Still, Basalt is the King of raw Defense by mass alone, and usually has quite a bit of Stamina as well. I mainly use it to try and grasp on that, which usually results like something close to its stock 145 WD combo. Even when it's perfectly still, it can still perform quite a few major hits and outspin most of what it can't.
My string launcher broke recently, so I've been using a L/R Light Launcher 2, which isn't very fast, which is why I have problems with using Basalt, which needs at least a average spin speed to do very well, for smash attack I prefer Variaries, with a Metal Flat, or possible a wide flat, in left spin, it seems to be better at knocking out it's opponent than Basalt, while also having quite a bit of defense power as well.
It's honestly a lot less the launcher and rather the person behind it. I have a friend that has a string launcher, and I can outdo him with Hasbro's dinky little ripcord launchers they package with absolutely everything. I've even broken one of those guys by ripping too hard, shattering one of the internal gears. Whoops!
Basalt is a Defensive wheel by design, so it's no surprise to see Variares outdo it with its massive contacts. Variares is top-tier for Attack with a reason, after all. I prefer to use either RF or R2F though, since they're a lot easier to control and usually more powerful than the plastic attack tips.
I recently tried Basault Virgo UW145SD, and it seems to work very well.
I like Variares paired with MF, and maybe a 85, or 90 track, I get excellent uppercut attacks with that. And i see what you mean, I cant control anything higher than WF, unless it is paired with a very heavy wheel. Sorry for the late reply.
I often times can't respond immediately anyways, so don't worry about taking a while to respond since I'll likely wind up doing the same inadvertently.
I do believe that Basalt Virgo would work fairly well, although I usually prefer WD with Basalt since it helps reduce the effect of it's lopsided weight distribution. I guess it really depends on the state of the tips in question though. If your WD tip is in really bad shape, D or SD might be the better call.
I'm less excited by the suggestion of using MF with Variares. MF usually works a lot better with wheels that have a fair amount of Stamina and Attack together, like Screw or Thermal. Variares has plenty of Attack, but doesn't really have the stamina potential required to make good use of the MF tip. WF or RF is just generally going to work better, since Variares just doesn't care about how long it will spin for anyways. Maximize that attack, and you'll have a winner in Variares.
I don't really believe the Upper Attack claim, unless you're comstantly fighting something with a sloped bottom like Flame. That's about what it takes to get Upper attack from Variares. Just look at it's 6 main contacts. They're flat. Even the 3 minor contacts are flat. There's just no way to get any kind of upwards force off of Variares unless you send something off the wall or a ramp of some sort. This is just not believable otherwise.
I can get a reasonable amount of control on XF in my sled, but GF remains untameable even there unless I lighten up on my launcher. That control is why I like RF and R2F so much, since they're about as fast as XF without as much recoil and yet remain so much easier to handle. The things turn on a dime, just about. They don't last long though, but all it takes is one or two solid strikes before your opponent flies out or collapses.
Since we're playing with Basalt, I might as well make a suggestion of my own in the form of MF-H Basalt Bull H145 WB. It's got an aggressive start, possibly earning an early knockout, and then settles down to defend. It can get some pretty nice counter attacks too, and it's surprised me with a few knockouts I never saw coming.
I plan to get a set of Lightning Ldrago, Meteo Ldrago, and the "Crystal Ldrago" (a Storm Wolf WD145 with a Ldrago facebolt) I think I saw you talking well about Meteo Ldrago's spin steal?
About the upper-attack, I meant against tall beys. (145+) I've even gotten upper from a Basult, when pairing it with a track just under the fusion wheel of the opponent, when that happens almost any contact is going to be upper, at least for me, as I am using a small stadium, with a large slope, and you a large (almost flat?) stadium.
I have been able to control GF once, with a Ldrago Guardian GB145GF, but with a very weak launch, however it was only for spin steal, so launch speed is not very important. (In my opinion.)
Sadly, I never started seriously buying beys until metal masters, even though my first season was metal fusion. (weekday morning reruns before school mostly.) so I don't have many parts that were only released in metal fusion... That includes the Bull energy ring, and H145 spin track. The metal core of my MF2 is broken, however the metal ring isn't, so I can't go very heavy. As far as counter attacking goes, have you tried a FB?